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Subtitle: Norddeutscher Rundfunk 2024

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Hot!

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Hmm?

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This heat!

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Yes.

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I actually like it, but if it's too much, it's too much.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Are you nervous?

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No. No? I'm optimistic. Why?

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Well, I thought the way the party conference went...

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Yes, the Young Socialists wanted Reiulf to remain chairman.

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Now they think I bullied him away.

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But that's not true. No.

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He is responsible for that.

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And the young socialists must also recognize this.

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Yes. If you tell them...

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Yes. I will, count on it.

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But maybe someone told them the story differently.

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Of course Reiulf will talk to them about me.

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I have to talk to them about this too. I don't know.

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So that you can understand each other better. Well...

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Be happy that your deputy is there! Yes. They love you!

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Yes. They love me. Yes! That's half the battle!

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In the series "The Crazy Hotel" it says:

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“Don’t mention the war”, leave out the faux pas.

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The NATO double decision is taboo, okay, Gro?

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Sure, not a word, but they could ask questions.

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Yes, they make sure - and hopefully you won't just think of:

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"The NATO thing is complicated!"

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She's complicated! She is!

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We have ideas for the debate with Willoch!

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It's for NATO. I know.

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For the Young Socialists you need different answers.

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That's why I want to talk to them. No! Just think about it!

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Then you have to explain to them

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why we remain silent about 60,000 murdered Vietnamese.

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Then we're screwed! We distance ourselves from this!

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As soon as the word “but” is mentioned, you have them against you!

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If they bring up NATO, you have to get out of the way.

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Housing construction, environmental protection...

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Even Jagland's crazy shorts would be an idea.

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Are you serious? Yes. They're too tight. And too short.

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Also try to avoid the topic of Reiulf.

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Yes, they like Reiulf. Yes. This is their demigod.

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Almost her whole god. Yes. Look, awesome!

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Hey, Thorbjorn! Welcome! Thanks.

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We are looking forward to seeing you!

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Yes, us too! They can hardly wait.

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Have you retired the Rigmor? Einar! This is misogynistic!

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Rigmor is the other boat. It is currently being repaired.

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We only have the Reiulf. Smaller, but it works.

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Understand. Let's go!

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You can already smell the sea.

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Wonderful!

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Hi, hi!

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Wow! Everything okay? *Laughs* Yes! Good thing again. Done!

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Hello.

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We are there. Is everyone there yet? Hey, hey, hey! Hey.

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Visa?

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What? Visa?

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Do you have a valid visa to enter the DDRU?

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DDRU? The Democratic Republic of Utoya.

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I'm at a loss, Einar, can you help me?

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'Sorry, there was a problem

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with the application in the State Chancellery.

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We ask for your understanding and a temporary entry visa.

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Short term, if possible.

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The Prime Minister and her attache

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apply for a temporary visa.

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Do you know the rules? Yes, I know.

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Please. Your visa. Thanks. Read aloud!

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"Entry visa for the DDRU.

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The owner is allowed to participate in community life.

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The approval can be revoked

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in violation of the interests of the people." Understood?

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Yes, I have. Yes!

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Then have a pleasant stay! Thanks. Thank you. Funny! Yes, right?

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And there is Jens! Hey, Gro!

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Welcome! Thanks. Thanks.

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Good to see you. Yes. That's nice.

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Are you doing well? Yes! Yes?

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I'll accompany you. - You don't have to!
- But! - I can do that!

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Arrived safely?
- Is that okay with you?

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Yes, thanks. We almost didn't get through passport control.

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*laughter*

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Then you give your speech, but first we have coffee.

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I need a glass of water first. Good.

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News: Successful alcohol ban on Utoya!

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An anonymous critic speaks of revisionism.

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Successful alcohol ban on the island!

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“NATO troops – shithouse”? Yes? Little pun? Very subtle!

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Well, my father is serious and intensive about it.

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I want a more nuanced view.

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And? No success?

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Some want

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that the Young Socialists leave the party as a whole.

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I thought that was off the table.

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Reiulf was always able to smooth things over.

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But someone just needs to get upset

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and the mood changes.

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I know.

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*clatter*

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Hey! Ann Helen! - Hey!

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Is there something to drink for Gro?
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Thanks. Gladly.

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Do you know each other? - No. No. Gro. Ann Helen.

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Hey, Ford. Einar. Very nice.

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Ann Helen is a member of the board. Like Jens. Yes.

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I have to take care of the concert, but that won't take long.

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Super! - After your speech, would you like to answer a few questions?

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Yes, that would be nice, but Gro has a very busy program.

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You have to see what is possible. Yes.

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Understand.
- Are you ready to go, Ann Helen?

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Yes. Sturle delivers one of his fighting tirades.

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Maybe you can still manage the last three hours.

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*applause*

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Our mother party is no longer different

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from the conservative camp.

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She rejects her socialist values,

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to reach new groups of voters.

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She canceled the goal of a socialist society

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from their basic program.

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Some young socialists even think that's a good thing!

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I am pleased that the state congress

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professed socialist ideals.

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They are in our statutes and have never been in question.

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Even if prominent board members

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wanted to water down the decision.

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They failed, and that's a good thing!

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But our beloved Reiulf Steen told us again and again:.

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“Don’t think the battle is already won.

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Because he never is!"

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*cheers and applause*

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Not so dramatic! He loves big words. I've heard them all!

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Which socialist ideal does he mean?

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A formulation in our party program about... What was that like?

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The working class stands...

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... in an irresolvable conflict of interest

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with capitalism.

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Yes. And some find that to be a bit too narrow.

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You didn't say narrow, you said "archaic".

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I have? What does archaic mean? Overtaken.

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I had a different opinion.

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We still refer to Marx's analysis of capitalism.

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Until then, we shouldn't start eradicating concepts

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such as “socialism”. Yes.

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Now I remember. Yes, I said archaic.

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By that I only meant socialism,

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as it is understood in the Eastern Bloc, but that then disappeared.

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Too bad!

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We also distance ourselves from authoritarian dictatorships,

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but you were also against everything Marx said about private property.

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This is conservative politics in its purest form.

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Without that we would have agreed.

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Discussing this further leads to nothing.

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You won the vote and that was it.

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I won't reopen this.
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So! Are you coping?

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Me, yes. Gro complains it's too hot, but it'll work.

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The glass of water saved me.

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Yes. People, pull yourself together. This is our Prime Minister.

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Comrades, thank you for coming.

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Okay... housing policy, environmental protection and apartheid. Yes.

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We buy them beer and leave.

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There is no beer here, Utoya is non-alcoholic!

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That's why we're disappearing! Not a word about NATO! Yes.

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*cheers and applause*

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Yes, thank you. Thank you, Thorbjörn.

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I'm glad you invited me

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and looking forward to exchanging ideas with you.

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I know a few of you from my time as Environment Minister.

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The Young Socialists were very helpful to me back then,

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to advance important projects.

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Without you there would be no environmental protection in Norway

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never progressed so well.

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Thanks for that!

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*applause*

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Through state funding for private construction projects

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Young people should also be able to purchase home ownership.

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But the Conservatives want the housing policy

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left to the free market.

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This does not bring about a fair distribution of living space

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at a time when things are becoming increasingly difficult for young people.

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*applause*

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What is it, Thorbjorn?

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No, it's okay. Further!

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Any ambiguities? An interim question?

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Yes, not just a question.

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The comrades want to discuss a whole list of questions with you.

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Is that okay?

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Yes, fire away with your questions.

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If I can answer it, I'd be happy to. Yes? Yes!

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Echo! - Yes, hi. I am in the Trondelag district association. Nice!

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We want to know how you feel about the apartheid regime in South Africa.

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Yes, great! Very good question!

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We should no longer hesitate to condemn the apartheid regime.

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I think that Norway

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will decide on an economic boycott.

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This remains in effect until it loses power. *cheers*

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Vilde, please.

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Hello! I have a question that is really bothering us.

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Many find that the leadership of the party

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has lost contact with us and no longer takes us seriously.

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It wasn't well received when we were told:

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"No beer! You can have a good mood without alcohol."

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What do you think of this as a doctor and Prime Minister?

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You feel like you're being treated like a small child.

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*Cheers* It's not our job to...

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The Prime Minister thinks this is crazy.

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Thank you, Einar Förde.

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As a doctor, I say: A glass of beer certainly won't hurt you.

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Within reason, of course. Yes!

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Ann Helen! - My question is on many minds. Yes?

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It's about NATO!

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How do you see our future relationship with NATO?

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What will happen to the stationing of nuclear weapons?

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or the American troop supply depot?

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Will there be a nuclear weapons-free zone in Scandinavia?

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There is still a lot to do. First of all, I would like to agree with you!

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I understand you when you say that there is a lot that is unclear.

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The thing with NATO is complicated. To do this you have to...

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We understand the problems

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but not how the party leadership wants to approach it.

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But dealing with the issue of NATO

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has been dragging on for years.

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The double decision was made under Nordli...

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Yes, but you are ambivalent.

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Should we as a NATO member with the Soviet Union

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negotiate the nuclear weapons-free zone?

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Yes, unfortunately we have to deal with this situation now!

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Damn, get us out of NATO! *cheers*

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*applause*

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Then let me ask the question differently:

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Does the party leadership have a strategy

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to prevent nuclear armament?

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And to rely on a sustainable détente policy?

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Yes, that is also very complex.

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I would like to look back here at our central role

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in the case of a double decision.

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There were important contributions that...

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The only correct contribution would be to withdraw from NATO.

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Why are we kissing Reagan's ass,

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who bombs the world?

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Disgusting! I'm leaving!

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Me too!

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Man, listen to me!

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I'm fed up!

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Yes.

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* Quiet whispers in the background *

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Do you realize what happens if we do that? Shit!

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What happens if we leave NATO?

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What should our security policy look like then?

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Yeah, well... Should I answer that? Yes! You, or whoever.

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I can't speak for others.

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But in meetings some people find that we don't generally

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are against bilateral alliances or security alliances.

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Just not under US leadership.

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We want an independent European alternative! *cheers*

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*Sustained applause*

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NATO is just an instrument of power of the USA and the West,

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in order to secure control over natural resources.

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The bloody consequences are in the media every day:

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In Vietnam! The coup in Chile! Guatemala! - Indonesia! Libya!

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Yes Yes Yes! - Haiti!
- Take it easy! - Panama, Nicaragua!

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But as long as only blacks and communists die - it doesn't matter!

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Let us show solidarity with those who are under military power

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suffer from US imperialism, as in Vietnam?

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How can we ally with this military power?

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and enjoy the benefits of it?

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No! Correct!

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We must stand in solidarity with everyone,

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who suffer from injustice and violence, including military violence.

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It's good that you're fighting for it!

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I have more to say about this and want to deepen the topic,

282
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but there are still a few comments.

283
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Who is next or next?

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Silje!

285
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Yeah, well, I think Ann Helen is totally right.

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*hiss*

287
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It's not possible today. He said: then tomorrow.

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A very exciting debate! I think so too.

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Especially to NATO. We can learn a lot from you!

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We also have a lot from you! Yes.

291
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How do we want a European defense alliance so quickly?

292
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get up and running?

293
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But I admit, the idea is interesting!

294
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Hey, Jen! I think you forgot something.

295
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*sigh*

296
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Already today? I thought, tomorrow!

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Today. Sorry, you have to get to it now. What's it about?

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Yesterday at the karaoke competition

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The first prize was a romantic walk with Jens.

300
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Sophie won with a song from...

301
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"Les Miserables". - Exactly.

302
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Great! What are you waiting for, man? Don't be shy! Yes. OK.

303
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Hey.

304
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Hey, Sophie! - Hey!

305
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I'm looking forward to our walk,

306
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but we are currently discussing this with the Prime Minister.

307
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Could we postpone it until tomorrow?

308
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Jen! You can't do that.

309
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We still have so much time! Hmm...

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Such a howler.

311
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“We are currently discussing it with the Prime Minister!”

312
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By the way, I wanted to thank you for your questions!

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I hope they weren't disrespectful. No.

314
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That wasn't what we wanted either, but we no longer thought

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that the party takes us seriously.

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Like we were just naive teenagers. Stupid feeling!

317
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I would feel the same way, but I never thought you were naive.

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You noticed that, I hope.

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Come to the board meeting on Monday!

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We can deepen our thoughts there.

321
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It would be good for you to see how things are going.

322
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Gladly! That would be really strong!

323
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With the comrades of the party leadership and the parliamentary group. They are coming!

324
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They are here!
-Oh! Second! Second, wait!

325
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Who 's there? Who is coming? I think, uh... Reiulf! Reiulf!

326
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Catch it!

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*cheers and applause*

328
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Hmm...

329
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I understand!

330
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Sorry, I'll be right back! Hey!

331
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Thanks. What is that? A gift? Welcome!

332
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As a greeting? Very nice! Thanks.

333
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Hello!

334
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Did you know it was coming?

335
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,040
He gives a speech, but we're already gone.

336
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:09,920
Is that, uh...

337
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Ines.

338
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,680
Was it already there? They love her.

339
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,360
I should have brought Arne Olav with me.

340
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,760
No, but Reiulf definitely told her about Utoya. And what?

341
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,280
She was deputy minister under Allende

342
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and survived a CIA-sponsored assassination attempt.

343
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She was on the list of Pinochet's secret service.

344
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And then she fled. Yes. I know.

345
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Then I'll get my things.

346
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Hello! Hey. Welcome! Thank you. Hey! Hey!

347
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I'm pleased. Yes, me too.

348
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We'll get through this!

349
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Thorbjorn!

350
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Yes? It's about time. We have to go back to Oslo.

351
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,640
Hello? Excuse me! Are you Steen? Yes.

352
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Hello. Cato, I'm glad. Reiulf. * Laughs * Come on, I'll carry you!

353
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,720
*Groan* What? No! Wait! What's up? Cato, what's the point?

354
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,400
Cato, you can't do that!

355
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:14,240
Cato! - Cato!

356
00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:20,360
Cato!

357
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,800
Wait! - Jagland, don't!

358
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,840
Is this a kidnapping? Nobody pays ransom for me.

359
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,640
Let me out! * Loud knock * Hello!

360
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,360
Hey, hey! Hey! I enjoy political immunity!

361
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,080
Yes, yes. Hey! Let me out!

362
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Important notice:

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An anti-democratic terrorist unit

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has ignored the laws of the DDRU.

365
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And kidnapped the ex-party leader Reiulf Steen.

366
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The kidnappers refuse to release him

367
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despite the tight schedule we have.

368
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Even pointing out that it's not funny

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couldn't convince her.

370
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,280
Instead, they demand a ransom that...

371
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... which the Alva Myrdal Fund for Peace and Disarmament receives.

372
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If you want to hear Reiulf's speech, you must find the ransom.

373
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,400
This isn't a ransom, more like...
- Revolutionary emergency aid! - Exactly.

374
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Thanks! *strumming* Thank you!

375
00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:28,600
You too? - No, I already have.

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a little something.

377
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,800
Damn, I only have a 500 krone note.

378
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,440
Well, thank you. Hey. I hope that's enough.

379
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,600
Let's see... Um... yeah, yeah. Wait.

380
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I just...

381
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,360
Um...yes...yes.

382
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,280
Here! Can you switch? Thank you so much!

383
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:53,400
Cato!

384
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,480
So what! It works! Can I go out now?

385
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:57,640
Yes.

386
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,120
Heeeey! *applause*

387
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,640
Ouuuuch! *Embarrassed laugh*

388
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,200
We had more kidnappings planned. We're disappearing!

389
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,800
But thanks to the Prime Minister, we have achieved our goal.

390
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,520
*cheers and applause*

391
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*Cluck*

392
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♪ Harmonica Melody ♪

393
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*laugh*

394
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*whirring*

395
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*Clacking engine*

396
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Shit!

397
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Is, uh...

398
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Is something wrong?

399
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,960
Yes. Something is wrong with the carburetor. This can take time.

400
00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:05,000
How long?
- hour, at least. Sauhund!

401
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,400
I don't understand that! There were never any problems with the Reiulf.

402
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:10,880
Not once!

403
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:16,000
I can ask the mainland if they will send the other boat,

404
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,960
but that takes a while.

405
00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:20,440
In Mensvika we have a dinghy,

406
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,080
if the Prime Minister can stand the rocking.

407
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,960
I'll gladly take the dinghy!

408
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,640
No. A real boat only costs me a phone call. OK? Yes. Yes.

409
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,640
Of course you are also welcome to stay overnight here.

410
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,560
No, it would be good if we were in Oslo tonight. Yes.

411
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,640
Yes.

412
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,760
* Engine whirring *

413
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,560
Holy crap, what a damn! Sauhund!

414
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,000
Jump on!

415
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,800
* Engine whirring *

416
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,760
Now here we sit! Do you have any idea?

417
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,280
Why don't we go back up?

418
00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:04,800
In the end they were really excited about you.

419
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,440
It wouldn't be bad either

420
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,440
when they see you at breakfast tomorrow.

421
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,400
As an expression of sympathy.

422
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,920
Reiulf is now making his big appearance up there.

423
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,960
Which topic? Do you know that?

424
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,840
All I know is that he and Ines have a project for refugees from Chile.

425
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,120
refugees. Or something. Good thing, sure.

426
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,040
The USA doesn't look good either,

427
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:39,000
which will further inflame the indignation against NATO.

428
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,480
And he will present himself as an adversary of NATO. That's what's coming.

429
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,680
They know that Reiulf is in the cabinet

430
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,560
has always held back when it comes to NATO.

431
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,720
Fighter for the good and the true? None!

432
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,920
Most of the time he wasn't even there, he was drunk. Ooh!

433
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,360
Reiulf is conspicuous by his absence. Even in Parliament! Notoriously!

434
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,320
And here he plays the savior of humanity! Yes...

435
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,000
So, I'm going up there now.

436
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,280
And you? Do you want to keep staring into the water or are you coming with me?

437
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,360
* Engine humming in the background *

438
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,720
Come on!

439
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,960
Just don't imagine anything. I just have to pee!

440
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,640
There's a toilet at school. Yes!

441
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,520
* Lively conversations in the background *

442
00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,720
Hey.

443
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:50,640
OK.

444
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,400
♪ Calm Guitar Chords ♪

445
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,040
Unity and confidence until capitalist tyranny falls.

446
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,640
♪ Calm Guitar Chords ♪

447
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,320
But we hope that we can go to Chile together someday.

448
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,280
(whispered) Einar! (louder) Einar!

449
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,160
Come on now! Yes, but we have to wait for the boat. Yes, but...

450
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,680
Sit down. Have you met Allende personally?

451
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,080
Yes, yes. Yes, yes, um... In Chile, a few times.

452
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,720
OK. The last time we met before the coup was in Valpara...

453
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,040
Vina del Mar

454
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,120
Allende was not a pessimist, not by nature,

455
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,560
but he already knew that it would soon be over.

456
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,880
He knew that.

457
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,800
I will never forget how clearly he recognized what he was facing.

458
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,360
And that's exactly how it happened.

459
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,680
The bourgeois conservatives say

460
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,440
socialism fails in practice.

461
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,800
And the case of Chile is always cited as proof of this.

462
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,560
Because the right is on the rise worldwide,

463
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,880
I thought it would make sense to take a closer look:

464
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,640
Why exactly did Salvador Allende fail?

465
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,960
and his socialist project?

466
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,160
Are you there?

467
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:44,560
(all) Yes!

468
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:53,600
*clearing throat*

469
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,600
When he became president,

470
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,200
Things initially looked good for Allende and the left-wing movement.

471
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,520
But he had powerful opponents, even before he came to power.

472
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,560
Especially US corporations and local family dynasties,

473
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,160
who had controlled the Chilean economy.

474
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,560
The most powerful of the families was the Edwards clan,

475
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,400
with Augustin Edwards at the helm, the “media baron”.

476
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,000
He had inherited a press empire from his family,

477
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,280
so that he owned most of the Chilean newspapers.

478
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,200
Including the legal journal El Mercurio.

479
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,240
But Allende had success,

480
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,560
despite opposition to him personally and his government.

481
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,960
By the way, Ines was a member of this government.

482
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,200
She was deputy minister of justice.

483
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,360
For example, there was half a liter of milk

484
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,440
for every school child every day.

485
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,680
Education and healthcare were free.

486
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,800
We have to make it clear

487
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,120
what an enormous progress that was back then, in the 60s.

488
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,920
After three years, Allende fulfilled his promise,

489
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,280
to help the poor to a better life.

490
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,240
Participate in a standard of living like never before.

491
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,240
Unemployment fell, as did rents and the cost of living.

492
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,960
20,000 square kilometers of large property

493
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,080
were redistributed to farmers and collectives.

494
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,120
*Cheers* Infant mortality.

495
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,720
Child mortality fell. Yes, exactly, that's right.

496
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,480
Yes, and perhaps the most important thing is that they ...

497
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,360
... gave the lower class, workers, farmers, poor, the feeling

498
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:37,560
to be important.

499
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,240
A few of us older people might still know

500
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,680
what poverty means.

501
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,840
Walking around with a hat and not knowing

502
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,280
where dinner will come from.

503
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,960
So, for a while things weren't looking bad for Salvador Allende

504
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,120
and the left in Chile, but:

505
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,680
Shortly after he won the elections, September 1970,

506
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,720
even before his election as president by Congress:

507
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,040
Then the monstrous happens!

508
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,760
Augustin Edwards, the media baron and owner of El Mercurio,

509
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:19,360
flies to Washington and meets with important people there.

510
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,440
With the CIA,

511
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:25,400
but especially with National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger.

512
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,080
Kissinger immediately goes to President Nixon and says:

513
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,160
"You...

514
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,200
...have to...

515
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,560
... what to do for Chile.

516
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,640
You have to save Chile!

517
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,280
You have to make sure this Allende disappears!"

518
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,720
Nixon summons the National Security Council

519
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,120
and tells the CIA people:

520
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,800
"Get this Allende off my back!

521
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,400
I don't care how you do it."

522
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,280
So! Now Kissinger and the CIA are launching a subversive operation.

523
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,960
They provoke an economic crisis

524
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,840
and bribe reactionary military officers to stage a coup.

525
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,440
There is a coup against the democratically elected president

526
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,760
and his government - but there is a problem:

527
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,920
General Rene Schneider, Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces,

528
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,000
refuses.

529
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,040
He adheres to his constitutional mandate,

530
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,000
to protect the government.

531
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,200
He is kidnapped and shot when he tries to defend himself.

532
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,600
They wanted to blame the left

533
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,240
and thus start a popular uprising.

534
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,640
But the people show solidarity with Allende and against the USA.

535
00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:39,760
That made the decision.

536
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,000
Two days later

537
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,600
he was the first democratically elected socialist president!

538
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,440
Even the power of the military cannot always do everything.

539
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,240
It is not an effective form of power.

540
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,560
Allende strives to provide work and good living conditions for his people.

541
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:04,000
The CIA and major US corporations in Chile are mobilizing huge sums of money

542
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,960
to paralyze the entire economic life of the country.

543
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,120
Politicians are bribed

544
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,720
Union bosses are bribed.

545
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,800
Loans from the International Monetary Fund

546
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,400
are refused due to pressure from the USA.

547
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,840
Import bans are imposed, export bans,

548
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,720
which has economically catastrophic consequences.

549
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,480
Nixon had demanded

550
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,280
the Chinese economy should scream in pain.

551
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,320
And he got his way:

552
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,120
El Mercurio and other right-wing newspapers

553
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,080
spread the false news about the alleged Plan Z.

554
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,400
A coup is planned, with the murder of conservative politicians,

555
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,200
Journalists, police and officers, including families.

556
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,600
But that was a cynical lie.

557
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,200
An excuse to work with the CIA

558
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,600
now to carry out a bloody coup of his own.

559
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,120
In a peaceful country that had elected only one president,

560
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,920
which, according to the US government and Chilean elites, was too left-wing.

561
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:08,560
Shit!

562
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,640
The head and brains of the military coup

563
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,680
was a brigadier general: Augusto Pinochet.

564
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,280
And so, on September 11, '73, the Chilean dictatorship began.

565
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,800
A reign of terror the likes of which the world had never experienced

566
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,160
since the days of Adolf Hitler in Germany.

567
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,000
Augusto Pinochet and his junta

568
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,120
didn't just want to push socialism out of power.

569
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,720
They wanted to suppress the socialist dreams,

570
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,240
the “Marxist indoctrination”.

571
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,560
As a result, left-wing political parties were banned.

572
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,680
Ines' name was on a list of suspected Marxists

573
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,920
and their sympathizers, who faced destruction.

574
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,960
In the first week after the coup

575
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:15,000
They rounded up 100,000 comrades in concentration camps.

576
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,040
Or... chased out of the country or...

577
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,400
...murdered.

578
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,720
For what reason?

579
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,960
Simply because they were considered socialists,

580
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,560
as Marxists or Social Democrats.

581
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,720
Ines had friends and relatives who disappeared during this time.

582
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,920
The junta had set up a secret police force

583
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,440
who was trained by the USA.

584
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,600
She had the task of

585
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,440
to tyrannize an increasingly intimidated population.

586
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,760
That is to extort confessions, that is to torture.

587
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,280
Comrades, you can believe me, they knew their stuff.

588
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,880
As a rule, it starts with

589
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,640
that you disappear into the basement for weeks if you have to.

590
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,880
Without light until you've lost track of time. *Whisper* Yes.

591
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:22,840
Well...

592
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,760
Well, we don't need to go into this any further, but as a woman...

593
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:31,560
Yes.

594
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,400
Yes, as a woman it's even worse.

595
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,200
They end up throwing your body into the Pacific.

596
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,600
After they cut your stomach open,

597
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,280
so that you sink - that's it!

598
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,440
And Kissinger, the Nobel Peace Prize winner?

599
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,600
The day after the coup there were reports of 10,000 bodies.

600
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,560
He thanked Pinochet for that:

601
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,600
"You have done the West a great service."

602
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:17,120
Democratic socialism in Chile deserved a chance

603
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,560
and didn't get it!

604
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,640
The thousands who were killed, tortured and driven away,

605
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:26,400
were just trying to create equality.

606
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,680
So many social benefits have been cut there today.

607
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,880
The inequality in the country is as big as the snakes

608
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,920
in front of the soup kitchens for the unemployed.

609
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,720
If you're one of the lucky few with a job,

610
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,240
then for bankers or large farmers.

611
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,400
Or mine owners who benefit from privatization.

612
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,760
With the public rapists, as Ines calls them.

613
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,480
Chile is a perfect example today

614
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,400
for modern economic liberalism.

615
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,040
And politics according to the motto: “You have the choice!”

616
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,080
Amazing that so many people chose poverty!

617
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,360
I think I've talked enough.

618
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,400
Just one more question. Kissinger is reported to have said to Nixon:

619
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,000
The fall of Allende

620
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,800
would be one of the greatest successes of his presidency.

621
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,320
Can any of you tell me how you came up with that?

622
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:31,560
Silje.

623
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:36,160
They feared that the Soviet Union would gain influence in South America.

624
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:38,040
Yes, that would be obvious.

625
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,800
But Allende's party was always considered moderate on the left.

626
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,120
It stood for actually existing socialism

627
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,200
always critical in the Soviet Union.

628
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,600
Kissinger and Nixon knew this.

629
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,200
Allende always sought a good relationship with America.

630
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,160
Does anyone have another idea?

631
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,480
Think about it!

632
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:05,360
How can the USA as the strongest power militarily and economically

633
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,120
are so afraid of peaceful democratic socialists?

634
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,200
In a country as poor as Chile?

635
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,720
They were afraid it would work.

636
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,280
They were afraid it would work.

637
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,000
They were afraid that Allende's model would catch on.

638
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,120
Because that was to be feared.

639
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,720
They feared a domino effect.

640
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,680
Kissinger said: "We must prevent this at all costs!"

641
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,960
The people have themselves to blame.

642
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,640
He spoke of the irresponsibility of the voters.

643
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,840
Consider this when someone talks about the failure of socialism.

644
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,040
And what the Chileans have achieved in less than three years

645
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,360
against the resistance of the most powerful empire in the world.

646
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,520
And think of what they would have achieved

647
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:10,400
if they had let them do it, if they hadn't murdered them.

648
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,360
But back to the coup:

649
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,960
On September 11, 1983

650
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,280
The Chilean Air Force bombs the presidential palace.

651
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:27,400
Allende addresses his people one last time and says the following:

652
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,160
♪ Tense instrumental music ♪

653
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,920
"I can assure you that the seeds we have will sprout

654
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,880
with a clear conscience in the hearts of thousands upon thousands of Chileans.

655
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,120
I believe in Chile and its destiny.

656
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,880
Other Chileans will come.

657
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,680
And sooner or later, I think rather sooner,

658
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,640
the great streets will open up again.

659
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,360
Those on which the worthy person

660
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,160
towards building a better society."

661
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,720
Thanks for your time!

662
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,120
*applause*

663
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,480
*cheers*

664
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,440
Come on, sit down.

665
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,160
Forgot what? Olvidado algo? Podrias have agregado mas.

666
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,080
If anyone has any questions, please feel free to do so.

667
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:35,280
Ali!
- Thank you very much! Very intense
and important. Ines, you too!

668
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:40,600
Why don't you have the same determination against NATO?

669
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,560
Taken a stand when you were still party leader?

670
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:45,920
Yes.

671
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:47,640
Um...

672
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,360
No matter how I feel about NATO - a party leader shouldn't

673
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,040
assert his own positions.

674
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,840
This also applies to your question.

675
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,520
But if you had the choice?

676
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,320
Thank God I didn't have a choice.

677
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,200
But there is an important difference

678
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,880
between my generation and yours.

679
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,600
... to the generation that was born after the war.

680
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:19,200
Don't forget how powerful our debates on security policy are

681
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,400
are shaped by the war experience and other debates too.

682
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,880
Um... Don't get me wrong.

683
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,840
I just want to make your feelings clear to you

684
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,240
which cause many of us older people...

685
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,200
Einar Gerhardsen, Trygve Bratteli or Odvar Nordli,

686
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,960
in relation to NATO, let's say... are torn.

687
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,800
It would be good if you mentioned this in our future debates

688
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,240
would consider.

689
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,800
We can discuss as much as we want.

690
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,560
None of this helps!

691
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,880
Because none of them listen to us. No one!

692
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,360
With only one exception and that is you,

693
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,640
but they dumped you.

694
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:02,840
*clearing throat*

695
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:08,240
Let's disappear. What does that look like?

696
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:09,640
Yes, that was...

697
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:13,920
Um...

698
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:15,560
That was...

699
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,880
To be fair, it was my decision.

700
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,240
That was me.

701
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,280
And I admit, I wasn't entirely innocent,

702
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,000
how that went.

703
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,000
Gro and I didn't always agree,

704
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,920
but this also applies to them, especially across generations.

705
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,120
How old were you, Gro... when you had to leave the country?

706
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:49,560
Five?

707
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,120
Uh, yes.

708
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,320
Maybe you don't know that.

709
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,680
During the German occupation, Gro had to flee to Sweden,

710
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,120
together with her little brother.

711
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:04,920
At five years old!

712
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,400
If you have younger siblings,

713
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,760
can you perhaps imagine what that means.

714
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:15,480
Maybe that says something about their positions.

715
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,280
*applause*

716
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,920
And luckily Einar Förde works with her.

717
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,560
We are well served with both of them.

718
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,720
Einar knows this and says of himself:

719
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,040
"As I get older, I realize that I'm always right." * Laugh *

720
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:36,560
Yes, Trond?

721
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,520
♪ Quiet acoustic guitar ♪

722
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,400
Food is ready. It's really beautiful what he's singing!

723
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,080
Yes, I agree. We can stay a little longer.

724
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,960
Rooms would be there. You just have to say it.

725
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,920
We'll still take the concert with us, okay?

726
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,160
Good. Do whatever you want. No stress! We are on Utoya.

727
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,080
All right, the concert. Sure, Gro. I'm looking forward to it.

728
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,680
You take off your top, I'll piggyback dance with you

729
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,440
across the meadow and we are 20 again.

730
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,840
♪ Calm vocals with guitar accompaniment ♪

731
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,800
♪ The audience begins to sing along quietly ♪

732
00:47:58,240 --> 00:47:59,240
Look!

733
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:01,680
A beer bottle.

734
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,680
This is a criminal offence!

735
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,160
Hellooo! No. No, leave her alone! Come here! Come here!

736
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,320
What the hell is that supposed to mean?

737
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,440
Hmm?

738
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:18,280
Show me!

739
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,320
You too?

740
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,200
I'll disappear towards the toilets for a moment.

741
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,280
You're missing out on the super hit! Even! There they are finally free.

742
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:39,280
Brilliant! No wonder you've made it this far and I haven't!

743
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:40,440
Very true!

744
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,320
Here. That was just fun,

745
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,480
But don't drink where everyone can see you. OK. OK?

746
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:54,600
♪ Calm vocals with guitar accompaniment ♪

747
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,440
♪ Music in the background ♪

748
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,680
♪ Gro sings along quietly ♪

749
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,480
*fly buzzing*

750
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,280
*laugh*

751
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,360
* rustling and cracking *

752
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,280
*Steps*

753
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,880
♪ Harmonious guitar music ♪

754
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:33,840
♪ Harmonious guitar music ♪

755
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,680
♪ Women's singing in Norwegian ♪

756
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,000
No, no, it works differently.

757
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:59,320
Yes, pull tight, that's good. Very good!

758
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,320
♪ Happy instrumental music with harmonica melody ♪

759
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,240
What? What's so funny?
- Yes, I'm wondering that too.

760
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,480
Sturle! - Nothing is funny.

761
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,480
Jens, shh! Ann Helen, what's going on between Jens and Sophie

762
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,640
happened on their romantic walk?

763
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:31,400
OK. She says he was just babbling about Karl Marx and NATO.

764
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,080
No! Very romantic!

765
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,320
What else was I supposed to talk about? She's not even 16.

766
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:42,200
As a young socialist, she was certainly interested. - Yes, yes. - Jens!

767
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,200
OK. What was so interesting about NATO?

768
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,440
That Spain should become a member!
- Great! - Spain, sure!

769
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,120
And what does she say about that?

770
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,960
She hardly has any opinions of her own.
- No?

771
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,920
New cleaning standards are needed for the NATO latrine!

772
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,840
This is xenophobic! - Do you have anything against clean toilets?

773
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,560
That's why you never clean the toilets!
- But!

774
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,960
You don't even know how to do it!

775
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,360
Why are you smiling? No se ya. Hmmm.

776
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:17,320
Hi!

777
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:19,400
Hi!

778
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:31,200
I'm fine?

779
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:33,760
Yes.

780
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,200
*clears throat* Yes. Have you and Ines met each other yet? Yes.

781
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,600
Yes, we live together now, but you probably already know that.

782
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:50,920
Yes, in Nesodden.

783
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,880
She told me. Nice, there! Yes.

784
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:56,880
Yes, very nice!

785
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,200
*clink*

786
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,000
*Laughs* Quick, quick! What are they doing there?

787
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:07,960
I guess catching crabs. I do not know. Ah yes?

788
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,640
Not bad! *laugh*

789
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:15,080
Yes, yes.

790
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,120
Tradition!

791
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:19,520
Tradition?

792
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,840
We can... watch.

793
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,040
*clink*

794
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,880
See, down there? Yes, yes.

795
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,640
Catching crabs, is that even allowed? Of course not.

796
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,600
But the Young Socialists do what they want. All too true!

797
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,880
And thank God! Thank God!

798
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,560
*Quiet laughter*

799
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,960
We used to do that too, Robert and I. Robert?

800
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,080
Yes, my brother.

801
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,920
We've been here a lot, you know?

802
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,720
He was chairman of the Young Socialists in Hurum.

803
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,320
Great unionist.

804
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,600
But unfortunately he died very early.

805
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:28,520
About what?

806
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,080
His lungs were gone, industrial fumes.

807
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,920
Just like my father.

808
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,520
You never told me anything about your brother.

809
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:46,840
Neither did your father, by the way.

810
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,560
I barely remember her.

811
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,400
Just the ski race.

812
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,240
Skiing was his passion. He was like you then.

813
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,920
Wedge pants nobility? * Laugh *

814
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,760
The factory workers had their ski race every winter.

815
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,360
My father was a good runner.

816
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,320
I stood at the finish line and cheered when he came.

817
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,320
But suddenly he was on the ground...

818
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,320
... and didn't come up anymore.

819
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,400
I ran to him, completely horrified.

820
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,040
And heard him say:

821
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,120
"What will become of you now, my boy?"

822
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:47,400
Those were his last words.

823
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,680
And I didn't understand what he meant.

824
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,120
Yes...but it's great that we're talking to each other again.

825
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,840
That hasn't happened for a long time.

826
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:12,800
Yes.

827
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,080
It would be too nice if you were right.

828
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:21,400
What do you think?

829
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,720
Well... We didn't talk to each other.

830
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,640
This never happened.

831
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:43,560
Are you sure?

832
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:55,880
No.

833
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:00,400
Yes.

834
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,120
You're right.

835
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,760
I can't remember either

836
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,360
that we met in Utoya.

837
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,880
By the time you arrived, I was long gone. We haven't met.

838
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,040
*Heavy exhalation*

839
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,680
*Heavy inhaling and exhaling*

840
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,400
So no reconciliation!

841
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:37,600
No.

842
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:42,400
No.

843
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,360
*Heavy inhaling and exhaling*

844
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:46,720
Never friends again!

845
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,240
* Laugh *

846
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:55,880
People! - Hoooo!

847
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:57,760
Yes! *cheers*

848
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:00,320
Look here!

849
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,400
♪ Singing in Norwegian ♪

850
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,120
The cult song.

851
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,120
What?

852
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:15,880
By Utoya.

853
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:18,920
Don't you know? No.

854
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:20,280
Really not? No.

855
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:22,920
You have to learn.

856
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,520
"We are the young socialists of Utoya,

857
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,600
just like most of the other comrades we know.

858
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,920
The most important thing is that you never forget

859
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,040
that you are the socialists of Utoya." Ah yes.

860
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,280
♪ Singing in Norwegian ♪

861
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:11,560
* cheering screams *

862
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,680
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